Nov. 14, 2025

One Bad Night Cost Them a Management Deal…Here’s Why.

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In today’s episode of the Music Business Newsletter with Matthew Rix, I read an email from a guitarist from Orlando whose band was this close to signing with a legitimate Los Angeles management firm.
For months, everything looked real:
-The company flew them out to L.A.
-Put them up in nice hotels
-Held meetings and even a showcase
-Sent contracts to lawyers
-All the signs of a serious partnership were there
Then after their third trip, everything fell apart in one night.
He and his lead singer had a little too much to drink, ended up getting kicked out of a bar, offended the people in the group, and flew home the next day. A few days later, they received a cold email saying the firm was no longer moving forward.
No follow-up call.
No explanation.
Just silence and now, the band is being completely ghosted.
Bob’s question is simple:
Did they ever intend to work with us?
And if they did… how could one night ruin everything?
In this episode, I break down:
1. The reality of how fragile the music industry can be
2. Why professionalism matters more than talent during negotiations
3. How quickly a team can change its mind if trust is broken
4. What you can and can’t recover from
5. And what his band should realistically do now
If you’re an artist dreaming of a team, a deal, or industry support you need to hear this one.
Do you have a question or a story you'd like me to break down? Go to https://MatthewRix.com and send it in.
The more details you share, the more I can help — and your story might help someone else avoid the same mistakes.

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Hey, this is Matthew Rix, and today on the Music

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Business newsletter, we have a cautionary tale of what not

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to do when you are given the moment that you've

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been waiting for your entire life. But before we dive

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into that email, I ask you to go ahead and

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subscribe to this channel and like the video and leave

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me a comment if you agree or disagree. And if

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com and click submit your question. Give me as many

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details as possible. Now for today's email, he says, Hey, Matthew,

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my name's Bob. I'm the guitarist for a band based

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out of Orlando, Florida. Love Orlando, Florida, Great Town, Great Ton,

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Mickey Universal, and they have Orlando's had some pretty like

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monumental bands over the years.

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It must be something in the water, he says.

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I'm hoping you can make help me make sense of

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something that's been eating at me.

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He says.

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For the past few months, my band and I have

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been in serious talks with what scene like a legit

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management firm out in Los Angeles.

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Now let me.

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Pause right there, He does say in this email that

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he's included documents and everything, and the management company he's

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talking to is absolutely legit. Their rep very well respected,

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very well known in the music industry, so he says,

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and they've been serious talks with what seemed like a

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legit management firm out in Los Angeles. He continues, they

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reached out to us first. We had multiple calls and

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everything felt real because it was real.

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But we'll get into it, he says.

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They even flew us out to La twice, put us

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up in Niceo hotels. We had tons of meetings with

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the management firm, and they we did a showcase for

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the employees and the big bosses at the management firm.

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So he said, everything felt real. And then the management

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company is paying to fly them out three times, put

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him up in hotels, had meetings and they did a showcase,

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and he goes, that felt real. No, that was real,

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he said. It really seemed like things were moving forward.

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We even had contracts being reviewed by our lawyers. And

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you're still going, I don't know if it was real,

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it seemed real. After the third trip, they invited us

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out for dinner and drinks after one of the meetings

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to be totally honest, Me and our lead singer had

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a few too many cocktails that night. Anybody know where.

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This's going, he says.

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It was one of those situations that got out of hand.

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We ended up getting kicked out of a bar in

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Los Angeles for being disruptive to the patrons in the bar.

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Later went to another spot later on. I guess this

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is what he meant. Later on went to another spot

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where apparently I said some things that offended the people

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in our group. Now the context, let me tell you

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who was in our group. It was my band, our rep,

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our lawyer, their lawyer, the president of the firm, and

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a couple of other high up directors within the firm.

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Sounds like a good time to act like a fool,

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he says. The next day, myself and my band we

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flew back home to Orlando. We had not heard anything

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since that night. A few days after that, we got

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an email from our rep at the management management firm

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saying they were no longer moving forward with us and

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they wish us the best of luck. Just like that,

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out of the blue, no explanation, no phone call, just

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a cold professional goodbye sent in an email that could

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have been a text. You guys probably went for the

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first three meetings. You impressed them. You didn't act like,

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you know, you didn't belong there, and they.

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Basically did a test with you.

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They wanted to take you guys out and see if

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you were going to be a liability. Given an opportunity

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to have unlimited cocktails cordials. What you should have done is,

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I don't drink. I'm completely sober. I never did anything

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stupid like this. I just was not a great person drinking,

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so I haven't drink in years. What you should have

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done was had some restraint and had one, maybe two

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cocktails the whole night and then switched over to water,

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red Bull, or just don't drink at all because it's

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poison at the end.

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Of the day.

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As for them just sending you, you know, we're no

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longer moving forward with you, guys, best of luck. They

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don't know you anything else because at that moment in time,

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probably you lost this deal when you got kicked out

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of the bar and then you sounded like you said

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some stuff that was offensive. You don't tell us what

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you said. Were you being were you criticizing a political

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party where you being misogynistic, anti Semitic. We don't know,

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you don't you don't say you know. But if you're

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getting kicked out of bars for being disruptive, I can

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only imagine where this went. Because they get kicked out

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of a bar in LA in this part of town

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where you're at, you gotta work pretty hard for that.

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Okay, this isn't.

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Like a quiet reserve area.

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It is.

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I mean, it's the strip you're I mean, it's it's

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known for throwing down. The email continues, I've tried reaching

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out to apologize, not only to our rep, but also

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try to reach out to the president of the firm

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several times since then. But I'm being completely ghosted by everyone.

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You're not being completely ghosted. They're done with you. They said,

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good luck, have a good life, don't let the door

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hit you on the way out, and don't talk to us.

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He says, I'm getting no response to emails, calls or nothing. Well,

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now you're acting like the lover who got dumped.

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That's what I mean.

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You're you're, you're you're probably blowing them up because your

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band probably hates you at this moment, and rightfully so,

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so you're.

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Blowing them up.

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And now every time they see your name pop up

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or email, they're not even they're probably at this point

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they're probably not even.

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Well, they're not even checking it.

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Years ago, I was an A and R and the

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company I was with we signed a rap group and

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I'll just stay in the South of the.

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South of the US.

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And you know, they got a sixty five page contract,

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very detailed and with with you know, me telling them

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get a lawyer to review this, the and the way

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that we did signings, where we would do a signing event,

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we'd come to that town. It'd be a big deal

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because it's it's a big moment for artists. The next day,

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I had a FedEx the band overnight of the contract

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and sent it and signed it. And I went into

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my boss and I said, we can't sign this band,

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and he's like, why not. I said, they sent the

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contract back, they didn't even read it. And he said,

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fam signed the contract. And I was against it because

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I realized they had they they were just you know,

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they were so eager to go. A couple of months later,

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they're in the studio making their album and one night, myself,

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my boss, a couple of people in marketing got an

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email from this band. Their grammar was atrocious. They couldn't spell.

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This is like I think, well, this was twenty ten,

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so spell check wasn't really as prominent on your phones

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as it was. Some letters would be in all caps

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someone and it was just like it was always the thing.

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It was like you would think complete more on was

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writing these emails. And they sent this email to make

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it sound like they were trying to be legal to us,

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and they let us know that they were, that we

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were in breach of contract And what were we in

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breach of contract for? Was it something to do with money?

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Was it something to do with publishing? Was it something

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to do with we promised we were going to do

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this and we hadn't done it. No, they said we

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were in breach of contract because they weren't happy with

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the arrangement of the studio. And I remember seeing this

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email and the minute when you're dealing with a professional company,

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the minute you mentioned lawyers, laws, you know, lawsuits, breach

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of contracts, anything, typically, we stopped talking and now we

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have to kick it over to legal. So because they

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thought that in the recording contract, because they hadn't read it,

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they thought in the recording contract that their personal happiness

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was important. They said that they were, we were in

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breach of contract. The lawyers get involved. This band can't

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afford lawyers. I mean, they didn't have a lawyer read

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the recording contract. And they buried them. They buried them,

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and the band, after they kind of came to their senses,

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you know, reached out to me and I couldn't talk

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to them because it was a legal situation now. But

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they were so apologetic and were you know, we're sorry,

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and you only get one shot. Long story short with

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that one is I believe they're probably still under contract

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today and they're shelved. They they couldn't afford the money

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to buy out of their contract, and the label shelved them,

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and they're probably still shelved fifteen years later. Ruined their

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careers because they sent an email because they didn't understand

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what was going on. They didn't act like they belonged

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there when they got there.

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But the email continues.

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What I can't wrap my head around is why go

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through all of that if they never intended to work

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with us. They did intend to work with you, they

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did intend to sign you. You were about to have

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once again, I know you said the documents. I know

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who this firm is. They're game changers, their career changers.

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They had intended to work with you. You decided to

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act like you've never had liquor before and you've never

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been outside of your house and drank too much and

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get kicked out of bars and start offending people with

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what you're saying. So they did intend to work with you.

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You decided to act like a fool. Happens a lot,

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he continues. They spent real money flying us out multiple times,

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booking us hotels, setting up meetings, and even a showcase.

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It's not like this was some scam or small time thing. No,

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this was the real thing. This is what you've been

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working for. This is what you've been waiting for.

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He continues.

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If this was a respected company, why would they do this,

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Because you guys blew the opportunity. Because i'm gonna tell you,

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the way you acted, they're going back and going. This

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band's a liability. You put them on tour, somebody's gonna

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get arrested, someone's gonna get dead, someone's gonna hurt somebody else,

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and that's on us to deal with.

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It ain't worth it.

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There's a you know there's a new band formed every day,

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one that's not gonna get kicked out of a restaurant

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one with the president of the management firm.

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He says, it just doesn't.

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Make sense why they invest that much if they were

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going to back out over one bad night, because they're

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cutting their losses. See, the first meeting is the handshake.

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Let's see if we like you, Let's see if you

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like us, Let's see if there's any red flags. It's

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like a first date, second second meeting, second date.

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They fly out there.

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You guys are good. I guess nobody's getting nobody's drinking

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more than they should, no one's you know, offending people

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at the table. So they bring you back for a

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third you do your showcase. You guys crush it. They

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take you out, and of course they were gonna pour

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drinks down your throat. They were gonna see one if

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you had enough respect for yourself and your party to

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stop drinking so you don't get to the point where

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you get kicked out of a bar and you blew

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it and your band should absolutely hate you. If I

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was your band, I would kick you out. I would

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kick you out today I am your lead singer. How

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do you kick a lead singer out. I'd kick you

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out today. I'd find another guitar player, and then I

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would if I was in this band, I would email

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the management company and said, I'm so sorry what happened.

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We kicked him out. That's what I would do if

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I was your bandmates and over one bad night. No,

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they're not looking at us one bad night. They're looking

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at it. Is that if they put you out on

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the road, if they put you in a studio, you

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are a liability to not only yourself but to them.

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He says.

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I've included our correspondence with the firm in case it

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helps you get a clearer picture. I looked at it,

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and this is all legit. This is a legit company.

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I know who your rep is. I worked with him

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in two thousand and ten on an album. They're a

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great company too, He says.

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I'm just trying.

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I'm just struggling to understand whether we blew it or

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if they were never serious to begin with. My guy, dude,

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you blew it. So this is your cope right here. No,

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they weren't really serious. They seem kind of legit. I

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don't know, uh, but we didn't blow you blew it.

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You're band in a bloat. You blew it. You blew it.

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You couldn't control your liquor. You're getting kicked out of

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bars like trash, absolute trash. You get brought out to

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LA you act like you've never been there before. You

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probably haven't. Yac like you've never been out in public before.

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And you're sitting with the with the CEO of the

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firm getting kicked out of her. Do you realize the

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CEO of that management firm and guys, it's a big firm,

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was sitting in this bar and that CEO got kicked

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out because of you, and you're wondering what happened.

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You don't know what happened, he said. Either way, it's

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been a gut punch for all of us.

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And I'd really appreciate any insight or advice you can give.

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I mean the advice i'd give. If I was your band,

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i'd kick you out today. You'd be gone. I don't

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care if you write the songs or not. You'd be gone.

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But you got the lead singer who's just as bad.

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I feel bad for the other guys in the band,

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the ones who probably controlled their liquor. The other ones

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who didn't offend because you screwed their career, you screwed

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their dream and you and I'm telling you this, you

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have sent these guys' emails.

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And you're probably go to road oppen.

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You guys seem legit like you're probably not even owning

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that because you're not really in here.

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You're like, well, maybe one bad night. No, it's a pattern.

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If you went on a first date with somebody and

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they got arrested, are they started a fight in a bar?

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Are you going to be like, oh, let me keep

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investing in this person. Now you're gonna be like, they're

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a train wreck. Come out of here, and you know

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if you believe you know Maya Angela says, when someone

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shows you who you are, believe them. The first time

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you got kicked out of a bar in LA with

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the president of the firm on their dime, the president

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of the firm got kicked out, and you're going, I

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don't know what opened one bad night, dude, you.

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Ruined your band's dream.

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You ruined your band. I'm not saying you guys. You

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don't tell us how you got on their radar. You

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don't tell me what your numbers are You don't tell

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me any of this stuff. Is there another possibility that

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another management firm will find you? Because here's what this

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management firm was going to do. They were going to

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develop you and market you to a label to get

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you a deal. Now, is there another out there who

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can do it?

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Yeah?

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I don't know how you got on these guys radar,

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but I looked at the correspondence. It's all legit. All

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the names check out, the management company checks out. So

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you probably you could find another firm. I don't know

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if you will. People usually don't get a lot of

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second chances with.

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Stuff like this.

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But as far as this firm is done for you,

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you're done with them. And if I was your band,

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i'd kick you out today and then I would email

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that firm and say we kicked them out. We so

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that I would do. Let this be a lesson to

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you guys that whatever notions, whatever you believe about partying

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like a rock star, and you can do whatever you

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want because you've watched TMZ and you've seen an artist

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act like a fool, and now that gives you leverage

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to act like a fool like you haven't made these

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people at dime right now, they're spending money on you,

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and you're getting the president of the management firm kicked

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out of a bar.

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For being disruptive. I mean the.

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Fact that weeks after this happened, you're still in this

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band and the band has not kicked you out.

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I don't know what's wrong with this band anyways.

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Good luck, You're gonna need it if this is how

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you act everywhere. But thanks for sending it in the email.

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Hopefully this is a wake up call. Has there not

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been enough stories of artists throughout the history of music

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who drank too much or did other substances and their

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lives were completely and utterly ruined that you guys think

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that in twenty twenty five you can act like this and.

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You're gonna be an immune.

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It's crazy. Anyways, good luck keep backing like this. You're

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gonna need it. And if you have a question on

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the music industry that you'd like for me to answer,

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go to Matthewicks dot com click submit your question, give

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me as many details as possible, and until next time,

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I will talk to you later.

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